Posts Tagged ‘geothermal’

Can you use Geothermal with Baseboard Radiant Heating?

Tuesday, August 31st, 2010
Boug Mossbrook

Doug Mossbrook

Yes, it’s technically possible, but the answer is NO.

We had a customer write in saying “At my IGSHPA training the instructor told us that using geothermal with baseboard radiant absolutely could be done -because the plumbers used to always oversize the baseboard runs anyway -maxing them out per room -so the lower 120 degree water temp would work.  I would like to know what the engineers up your way say about this.”

The short answer is no, don’t use geothermal with baseboard heating or radiators.

The longer answer is yes, but with a few caveats that will be explained here.  Baseboard heaters use convection heating to heat a room. There are typically fins inside the heater called elements. These elements have a set resistance, which transfers heat energy from the hot water and dissipates it in the form of heat to the surrounding air.

Because the warm air is lighter than the cooler air, it rises out of the top of the heater and the cooler air closer to the floor is drawn in from the bottom to replace the displaced warm air. This is convection.  This cycle continues until the air surrounding your control center or thermostat reaches the specified temperature.

Convection

Convection

The typical operating temperature of water in a baseboard heating system is roughly 160 – 180 degrees fahrenheit.  This high temperature is critical to be as efficient as possible.

Convection does not work with low temperature water from a geothermal heat pump.

And as we all know, a geothermal system is a low temperature heat source, with a maximum output temperature of roughly 115 degrees.  With radiant floor heating or forced air, this water temperature is perfect to heat a room, and it helps keep the geo system as efficient as possible.

115 degree water is not hot enough to adequately dissipate heat for baseboard hydronic systems.  It will dissipate some heat through the fins simply because the water in the pipes is warmer than the room; however, to heat a room to 70 degrees will take a long time, require a lot of energy, and additional surface area (more radiators).

The technical answer whether or not baseboard radiant works with geothermal is yes; however the cost of additional radiators, piping, and reduced efficiency make the correct answer no.  Baseboard radiant is most efficient when incorporated with a boiler system.  A boiler radiant heating system is capable of much higher output temperatures than a geothermal system.

Geothermal Case Study: Red Tail Ridge

Tuesday, June 15th, 2010
Red Tail Ridge

Red Tail Ridge

Customer: Red Tail Ridge Winery

Location: Penn Yan, NY

Project: HVAC and Wine Process Cooling with: Geothermal, Radiant, HRV, Energy Management

Web: redtailridgewinery.com

Installer: Geocorp


Red Tail Ridge is a Finger Lakes winery using an Eagle Mountain geothermal system for HVAC and process cooling.

An industry leader in sustainability and innovation, the new facility at Red Tail Ridge will be LEED certified and delivers a 40.1% total energy savings.  The system components include geothermal, radiant heating, heat recovery ventilation, and Ecô energy management.

System Background

The system design calls for a 20-ton closed-loop geothermal heat pump system to heat and cool the building, and to provide chilled water for process cooling. The system consists of four (4) 5-ton Cascade water-to-water heat pumps, a horizontal closed-loop “GeoSlinky” ground loop heat exchanger, and a custom Hydronic Control Panel.

Geothermal Heat Pumps

Two geothermal heat pumps are dedicated to space heating and cooling. Radiant floor heating is installed in the process, case and barrel storage, and bottling areas. A fan coil unit provides for cooling and heating loads in the laboratory located on the mezzanine level.

The other two water-to-water heat pumps generate chilled propylene glycol to meet the process cooling requirements of winemaking.

Horizontal Slinky Loop

The horizontal slinky loop consists of eight trenches, each 130 feet long with 4 feet spacing between each trench. The slinky coil is 34- inches in diameter with 18-inches of pitch. A propylene glycol solution is circulated through the ground loop heat exchanger and the water-source heat pumps by a variable flow/variable speed loop pumping system.

Heat Recovery Ventilation

Ventilation air will be introduced into the building through a heat recovery ventilator (HRV). The HRV includes a flat plate heat exchanger that transfers energy between building exhaust and outdoor air streams.

Control System

The entire HVAC system including wine process cooling is controlled by Eagle Mountain’s Ecô energy management system.  This “virtual control device” replaces all hardware control devices and is accessible from any Internet connection in the world.

The Ecô energy management system has additional benefits for Winemakers.  This browser-based system allows the Winemaker to control and monitor the winemaking process remotely. Ecô provides Winemakers an innovative alternative to manual operation of the Winemaking process.

Click to learn more about The Ecô energy management system.

Design & Installation

Eagle Mountain specified the system design, integrated and supplied all components, and provided consulting services for the application of geothermal technologies for LEED certification.

Geocorp, an alternative energy installer located in Western New York, installed the system at Red Tail Ridge.

Process to change Geothermal from Heating to Cooling

Monday, June 7th, 2010
Jason Murphy

Jason Murphy

Geothermal systems provide both heating and cooling.

If you have a forced-air geothermal system using a water-to-air geothermal heat pump, simply change your thermostats from heating to cooling mode, and you are done. Forced-air geothermal systems are the easiest to change from heating to cooling mode.

Cooling with Hydronic Geothermal Heat Pumps

If you have a radiant heating system, your hydronic geothermal heat pump provides cooling via high-velocity or low-velocity air handlers.

Step 1: Locate your Hydronic Control Panel


If you have a hydronic system, the first step is to locate your hyrdonic control panel in the mechanical room.  You control panel will look like this:

Hydronic Control Panel

Hydronic Control Panel

Step 2: Determine if you have 1 or 2 Tekmar Controls


The device that tells your heat pump to make either hot or cold water is a Tekmar 152 two stage setpoint control.  Your control panel will either have one or two Tekmar controls.

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Geothermal Radiant Heating Systems

Tuesday, May 11th, 2010
Dan Frawley

Dan Frawley

Lessons Learned by Dan Frawley

Eagle Mountain is an alternative energy integrator. In plain and simple terms we are experts at combining multiple systems together. A prime example of this is pairing a geothermal heating system with radiant heat delivery. This type of system is something that we get inquiries about all the time.

Most people are under the impression that you cannot combine these two types of systems. They think that because a geothermal system is a low temperature heat source, radiant would not be a viable heat delivery method.

Those people would be wrong.

Geothermal heating with radiant is a great way to heat your home. You get all the benefits of radiant heat combined with all the benefits of Geothermal. The most common implementation of geothermal radiant heat systems is in a new build, but it is fairly common to have inquiries in regards to retrofits. Retrofitting geothermal with radiant poses its own set of issues and there are some common misconceptions that go along with that.

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Geothermal Tax Credit Explained

Monday, May 10th, 2010
Jason Murphy

Jason Murphy

A geothermal tax credit of 30% of the total system price is available for systems using qualified geothermal heat pumps.

In October 2008, geothermal heat pumps were added to section 25D of the Internal Revenue Code. This created a 30% federal geothermal tax credit for costs associated with qualified geothermal equipment “placed in service” through the end of 2016.

Equipment is usually considered to be placed into service when installation is complete and equipment is ready for use, or for new construction, when the owner takes residence.

Geothermal Tax Credit Overview

• 30% of total system cost
• No limit to credit amount for 2009 and beyond
• Can be used to offset AMT tax
• Can be used in more than one year
• Can be combined with solar and wind tax credits
• Can be combined with energy efficiency upgrade credits

What’s Eligible?

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Install Geothermal Heat Pump in the Attic

Monday, March 29th, 2010
Dan Frawley

Dan Frawley

Where do you put your geothermal heat pump if you are building a home with a crawl space, or it is slab on grade and you do not have a large enough mechanical room?  Where do you put your geothermal heat pump if you are retrofitting your home for geothermal HVAC and have no room in your basement or existing mechanical room?

These, among others, are very important questions to ask before you begin your geothermal installation.  The location of the heat pump is crucial to know before you even put your project in the hands of the engineers and designers here at Eagle Mountain. Placement affects pump pack size, supply and return size, etc.  Where can you locate the heat pump?  An option is in a space that is normally used for storage, the attic.

The problem with this answer lies in whether or not your attic is a conditioned space or not.  The general rule of thumb for a geothermal heat pump is that it must be placed in a conditioned space.  The solution to the problem of placing a heat pump in an unconditioned attic is, what we call here at Eagle Mountain, a hot box.

Hot Box

Hot Box

The “Hot Box” can be essentially a 2×4 framed container that is sheathed in plywood with a removable top to create easy access for service. Once the container is built around the heat pump, you lay insulation across the attic floor and around the outside of the box.  This creates a conditioned space for the heat pump to sit in, essentially making that space part of the house, or heated space.

This “Hot Box” solution allows for two things.  First, it allows the heat pump to be placed in a conditioned space for optimal performance and efficiency.  Secondly, it allows the attic to remain unconditioned to conform to the outdoor temperature.  This is important, especially in winter, if ice damage is a concern.  Also, the attic will not be comfortable in the winter and then uncomfortably warm in the summer.  It is also important to note that piping from your geothermal loopfield to the heat pump must be insulated and contain the correct propylene glycol mixture for geothermal systems.

Propylene Glycol Mixture: Geothermal Freeze Protection

Monday, March 29th, 2010

Our installers often ask why we recommend a 25% mixture of propylene glycol to water for geothermal loopfields.

Propylene glycol at a 25% mixture by mass yields a freezing point of about 12.5 degrees F. Since propylene glycol is slightly more dense, 1.036 g/cm3 to 1.0 g/cm3 for water, this equates to a mixture by volume of 25% freezing at 12.95 degrees F. 20% by mass freezes at 18 degrees F. This is sufficient for interior hydronic lines.

Our pump sizing is based on the viscosity of a 25% glycol mixture by volume. We use this mixture because it uses the minimum amount of glycol for pumping viscosity losses while providing freeze protection.

The reynolds number also plays a part in the ratio. The greater the volume of the thicker glycol, the faster you have to pump to reach turbulent flow. Use 25% glycol to 75% water with our product in a correctly designed geothermal loop field for optimum performance.

Since our product is inhibited, it has a glycol ratio of 96%.  Four percent is the additives for corrosion resistance and the anti-foaming agent. This is the highest ratio available in this type of glycol. Some products labeled -100 can be as low as 65%. If you mix that at 25% you would actually be only 16.25%.

Download the Freeze Safe 100 PDF Spec Sheet for more information.